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After only one year of Taliban rule, girls and women have almost disappeared from Afghan society. They are not allowed to travel, to work alone, to go to public parks, to talk or laugh in public, and they are not allowed to study and to go to school... Photo: Boushra Almutawakel
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This
Is
Heartbreaking
@baarda that is chilling to see this so visually.
@baarda "Religion poisons everything"- Hitch
@Ponygirl @JCF
But Trump made a good peace agreement with Taliban?
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@LillyHerself
Indeed. But only for "modern"/actual religion.
Minorean religion was matriarcal with a Snake Goddess.
Their were a religion with paleolithic Venus (still used byba minority)
Some other from neolithic and still used by a minority is a kind of Earth/Nature religion (with Mother nature/Gaia/Demeter as Goddess)
@LillyHerself
In my opinion, again, religion is what you do with, if "you" are extremist in your religion (patriarcal or matriarcal) it will be destructive.
Talibans are extremists and patriarcal and the both combined are bad for humanity.
You are right Lilly, a religion should not be patriarcal but not matriarcal too, just respectfull of everthing and everryone without extremism.
Maybe like Boudhism, but I am not sure and Boudhism is not a religion but more a way of life.
@Ponygirl @baarda
@LillyHerself @JCF @Ponygirl @baarda Religion: getting ugly men laid for over 5000 years.
@CarolynStirling
Actually they are using Charia which is the extrem part of Islam, but the fundment of Islam is supposed to be really tolerant.
That's why I said extremism is evil (for each religion or other activity actually).
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@sirloinstake
Actually a religion is made to find answers to the inexplicable, the magic, a way of life, the meaning of life. With religion cames habits and coutumes, celebrations (just see solstice pagan celebrations)... But also extremism wich open the door to hate, opression, etc.
@Ponygirl @baarda
@sirloinstake
No because a religion suggest also a part of mysticism (spirits, gods, places), legends (heroes, stories, places too) and as I said, a way of life, habits and coutumes, so culture to (food, dress, etc). And TRY to explain inexplicable...
Science is made of facts and History, allow understand "why" with clues, improve the life and possibilities (medicine, engineering etc).
Transfom Magic is not magic because (explanations and comprehention)...
Magic is just science that we don't understand. And science that we don't understand can be TRY to be explain by religion as "it is God' Will"
@JCF @sirloinstake @baarda "Real magic is fake, and fake magic is real" -Matt Dillahunty
@Ponygirl
And when magic is understood, it is not magic anymore neither religion thing... It becomes science
@sirloinstake @baarda
@JCF @sirloinstake @baarda I think I agree with this, but I can't think of anything religious that has become science. Any examples?
@Ponygirl
Meteorological and geological facts for example. 
@JCF @sirloinstake @baarda Maybe some wonder emanated from religious teachings, but people investigated irregardless of religion.
@sirloinstake
For a matter of power, I agree.
And some people want also destroy what is misunderstood.
Actually science and religion are corrosive to each other
But now some religions have a kind of assembly of scientists well known, estimated.
«Since along time, we though science will throw religious function, but It was a mistake» H. Reeves
@sirloinstake
I'm sorry but, can't you see the positive ?
I mean, religion, as life, has bad sides... And good too. If you can only see the bad, when could you see the good, in the life too? And how could you be happy?
I am not praticant, and I know the disasters of religionS. But I also know their benefits.
In our time, just think about Mother Theresa or the Abbé Pierre (
both) and what they've done for humanity.
And I'm sure their equivalements exists in all religions.
@JCF @Ponygirl @baarda Man doesn't need religion to have a moral code, just decent education and some semblance of humanity, and I have no need for any form of God. I see the good and bad sides of life, and have lived through some of them There was no one guiding me through it. Just me and myself. And trust me I have been to some very dark places in my mind. I care primarily about myself and those I choose to let into my life, but I also care about humanity without the need to signal it
@sirloinstake @JCF @baarda Well said sir!!
@sirloinstake
As I said and I maintain my position and opinion:
Since humanity exists, the problem is not the religion but the extremists, the fanatics.
THEY oppress
THEY order
THEY destroy
THEY want to conquier
THEM, fanatics, extremists
@Ponygirl
Not everything is to be thown away in religion: hope, kindness, strength, be strong minded, resilent is a certain way, self-belief and self-confidence, love, compation etc.
Actually, human values.
A God conception is made for it, not for war, anger, profit, oppression...
I fact the one or the population who have a restricted view of a religion (or anything else subject actually) can not have a good judgement of the situation and will be extremist with the whole subject because of a little part of the subject.
After all, it is human to see the 10% od bad instead of the 90% of good
@sirloinstake @JCF @baarda Or Santa's will lol! Just going with the season!!
@sirloinstake
Humbug for whom does not wants a little part of magic.
For me it is just a moment of share something different with friends and family... Not for commercial aspect.
I prone DIY actualy.
For example I made this for my Bros, coaster with formica and cork... 8 for each, with a hand mad pouch.
![[en]Coasters made with formica and cork
[Fr]Sous-verres en formica et liège](https://diaspodon.fr/system/media_attachments/files/109/586/093/256/053/037/original/9d1c083de7a2f74b.jpg "[en]Coasters made with formica and cork
[Fr]Sous-verres en formica et liège")
@Ponygirl
Yeaah Santa
Saint Nicolas
In my family we know also Father January and Father Decembers (each in green dress code) as two kind of pixies
Then with time, Church and Coca change them as Santa (really fast shortcut)
Before Santa their were differents beliefs and with time they were combine in one only
@sirloinstake @baarda
@JCF @sirloinstake @baarda Super interesting!!
@JCF @Ponygirl @baarda Early Christianity paid little attention to the birth of Christ. They tended to focus on his death, and othodoxy churches still do. It was only when the christian missionaries realised they were struggling to convert because they were competing with the "pagan" gods, that they incorporated the Winter Solstice into their fable. A means to an end!
@sirloinstake
Not for religion except if religion accept science
But when you know those points, science can't be religion
- religion : God, mysticism, legends, lore
- science : no god, facts History (no lores)
@Ponygirl @baarda
@sirloinstake
So, the bad is not religion but extremism
Are all muslims bad ? Not, but just extremisms... The same for all religions and train of thought all around the world.
By said "religion is bad" or "religion is designed to opress" or "religion is patriarcal" you are extremist in you thought because those sentences are the same as "All religions are bad" or "All Jewish/Muslims/Catholics(...) Are bad" but not...
@sirloinstake
But as human you can open your mind and see the real problem is not religion but a few minority extremist which indoctrinate "weak minded" others who are no really bad at the begining
@Ponygirl @baarda
I thing religion is the same as politic is a certain way
Politic CAN be good for society but fascism (a little part of politic movments) is bad
Religion CAN be good for humanity but extremism (a little part of religion aspects) s bad
@JCF @sirloinstake @baarda My analogy would be- Herd immunity can be good for society, but we still have a bunch of disease and death to plow through before we get there.- A little different.
@JCF @Ponygirl @baarda Yes, which goes back to my original suggestion that really religion is little more than a construct used to oppress. "Do what you are told now, don't question and you will live forever in the kindgdom of heaven". Actually easy to do if you don't educate people to think freely, and far easier to indoctrinate those who are uneducated. Religion is strongest where education is limited.
@sirloinstake
In this case, that religion is extremist. As Catholocism at the very begining (even if, even now it isn't perfect too)
I want to believe this way of life : if you are reasured by a god(ess), feel free to believe in (S)HE. But it should not be a wall on your way but a strengh for your life.
Actually it is the same thing than have a way of life or believe in you, no?
@JCF I will have to disagree. You couldn't call missionaries extremists but they basically indoctrinated others, in the name of religion. Wars are fought in the name of religion,by those who believe that they're right. Unfortunately the US recently has suffered similarly with the creation of a false god in Trump. I choose not to believe in any god, on a similar premise to that of law requiring the existence beyond reasonable doubt. I have had no evidence to suggest that a higher being exists
@baarda dunno what we’re supposed to do about it.
@inthedeltawaves @baarda be a good example for the world to aspire to and don’t let nations who do this take part in the global community.