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@jubei @signalapp There are two things I'm aware of: 1. Signal asks people to ideally use Google/Apple accounts to install and update.
2. "Google Maps and Firebase Cloud Messaging"

Also the server side is not really free software, but they don't even federate, so – who cares.

I'm using #DeltaChat more and more, though. In the long run I'm fine with switching to that completely.

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delta.chatDelta Chat: The e-mail messengerChat over e-mail and head back to the future with us! Delta Chat is like Telegram or Whatsapp but without the tracking or central control. Delta Chat does not need your phone number. Check out our ...

Organizational note: It might appear that #deltachat #chatmail and #webxdc contributors are easily "on the same page". In fact, there are many ongoing controversial discussions in backrooms and public spaces. We are dealing with tons of user perspectives and feedback, researcher and developer stances, many UX/UI considerations, complex implementation and platform adaptation. We are internally allowing contradictions and complexity ... See also Ashby's requisite variety edgeofpossible.com/ashbys-law-

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Today we are unveiling two brand new features by ... drum-roll ... doing nothing:

- No "AI" integration involved or planned. Consequently, you don't need to teach your relatives how to disable AI!

- No proprietary server components: servers are fast, efficient and freely replicable, no permissions needed!

Moreover, our apps are easier to use and onboard with than SIM/phone number based apps: Multi-device and Multi-profile handling is a piece of cake.

Al arrancar de 0 en un nuevo ordenador, me acuerdo de por qué XMPP no puede triunfar (así), y por qué Delta Chat gana cada vez más puntos...

Con #DeltaChat, añadir un nuevo dispositivo está a un QR de distancia. Y pum: lo tienes todo a tu disposición. Todo. Sin barreras. 100 % encriptado.

Con #XMPP, haces lo mismo, PERO literalmente pierdes la posibilidad de leer TODOS tus mensajes antiguos. ¿Qué MI***A es esta?

Es imposible considerar a XMPP como algo serio así. Sinceramente.

I'm planning on trying #DeltaChat, how important is it to try to distribute the load accross chatmail servers?
If it's worth distributing it, are there any servers in France?
The list from chatmail.at/relays does not include anything but I don't know whether it's comprehensive.

chatmail.atChatmail: RelaysChatmail provides FOSS infrastructure for interoperable, secure, speedy and reliable end-to-end encrypted messaging. Check out clients as Arcane Chat, Bots or Delta Chat today!
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@kuketzblog what are the "Delta Chat missionaries" saying? 🤔 I am one of the #DeltaChat developers and I don't think any of us claim Delta Chat is some "state of the art" perfect or "the best", "the fastest" etc as other messengers boldly do.

The selection of parameters of comparison in your messenger table is also subject to what you think is important, it is hard to be neutral, also it seems the "metadata protection" field is not completely correct for Delta Chat:

Jeder Messenger hat seine Fans – aber manche Communitys sind echt anstrengend. Die größten Missionare findet man mit Abstand bei Threema, dicht gefolgt von Delta Chat. Kritik? Undenkbar. Da wird sofort erklärt, warum du das Problem bist.

Aber hey, sollen sie ruhig über mich herziehen – die kostenlose Werbung nehm ich doch gern mit. Wenn sie sich schon aufopfern, um meinen Namen in ihren Filterblasen zu verbreiten, will ich da nicht im Weg stehen. 😁

The trajectory of E2E-encryption is about de-platforming: There shall be no central machines that can control the edges/peers, and the social groups and virtual centers they freely form.

Our #deltachat R&D around #chatmail relays and #webxdc apps all aim to realize such a "zero-platforms" fully E2E-encrypted interaction model. However, this is *not* just about cryptographic cleverness. Rather it is about usable anti-authoritarian designs, as explicitly stated in January delta.chat/en/2025-01-23-webxd

delta.chatDelta Chat: Replacing billionairish platforms with ZIP files
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@delta@chaos.social

Danke für den Hinweis.

Hilft hier im Anwendungsfall leider nicht.

Wenn mich jemand an meine Chat-Adresse anschreibt (ohne selbst Delta Chat zu verwenden, wird Delta Chat diesen Betreff verwenden. Und zwar auch noch Monate später, wenn die neue Nachricht so gar nichts mit dem inzwischen historischen Betreff zu tun hat.

Brainstorming:
* Delta Chat könnte nach gewisser Zeit wieder auf den Standardbetreff umschalten
* Delta Chat könnte immer den Standardbetreff nutzen
* Delta Chat könnte einen Hinweis auf Delta Chat in den Standardbetreff aufnehmen
* Delta Chat könnte in den Einstellungen irgendwo eine Option bieten, den (zukünftigen) Betreff festzulegen bzw. auf den Standardbetreff zurückzusetzen

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@delta@chaos.social

Moin.

Ich nutze eine separate Mailbox nur für Chat und eine Änderungsmöglichkeit für den Betreff würde ich auch begrüssen.

Gerade in Hinblick auf Kontakte, die nicht #DeltaChat nutzen, kann es irritierend sein, E-Mails zu erhalten, deren Betreff so gar nichts mit dem Inhalt zu tun hat.

Und (gerade nicht aktuell nachgeschaut): Es wäre schön, wenn der Date-Header die korrekte Zeitzone enthalten würde.

Ansonsten: Super, daß es Delta Chat gibt. Nutze es seit ca. 2017.
@fallenhitokiri@social.screamingatmyscreen.com @Michie164@mastodon.social