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Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mastodon.social/@knoppix95" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@knoppix95</a> this is nothing new.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lenovo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Lenovo</a> almost always offered around €125 discount for "no operating system" and €100 for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/UbuntuLTS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#UbuntuLTS</a> over <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Windows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Windows</a> - if they offer any of those options at all…<ul><li>Not to mention Lenovo, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Dell" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Dell</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/hp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#hp</a> actually get paid $25 by <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Microsoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Microsoft</a> for any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Windows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Windows</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/preinstall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#preinstall</a> since at least 2012 in return for not shipping <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> on said devices!</li></ul>What is a problem is that Lenovo doesn't actually <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Support" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Support</a> even "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Ubuntu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Ubuntu</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/certified" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#certified</a>" devices like the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/P15v" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#P15v</a> and it's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Intel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Intel</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMM7360" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMM7360</a>-based <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WWAN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WWAN</a> chip, the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Fibocom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fibocom</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/850GL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#850GL</a>, at all, and they refuse to provide <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/drivers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#drivers</a> for it!

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://infosec.exchange/@simonzerafa" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@simonzerafa</a> I mean obviously <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/reuse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#reuse</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/UseLonger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#UseLonger</a> is better and if your options are "corporate surplus" or nothing then I'd never judge.To me it's just that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ThinkPad" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ThinkPad</a> as a brand has really died as every single Device is a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/downgrade" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#downgrade</a> in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/repairability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#repairability</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/upgradeability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#upgradeability</a> compared to my <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/X230Tablet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#X230Tablet</a>:<ul><li>They have <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SolderedDownRAM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SolderedDownRAM</a> even on P-Series <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Workstation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Workstation</a> machines, not just cheap cheap <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lenovo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Lenovo</a> consoomer devices.</li><li>Batteries ain't toolfree-swappable anymore!</li><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WWAN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WWAN</a> modules are worse (i.e. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Fibocom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fibocom</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/850GL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#850GL</a> aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Intel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Intel</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMM7360" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMM7360</a>)</li><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> support gets worse and neither Lenovo nor <a href="https://ubuntu.social/@ubuntu" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ubuntu</a> feel responsible on a "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Ubuntu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Ubuntu</a>-certified Workstation" (i.e. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/P15v" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#P15v</a>)</li><li>Less & Worse <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Docking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Docking</a> options.</li><li>Most machines don't offer Linux or to eveb to opt-out of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Govware</a> noone should pay their overcharged premium for (in fact <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Microsoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Microsoft</a> pays Lenovo $25 for every <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Windows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Windows</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/preinstall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#preinstall</a> so they don't ship Linux, they don't even pay the $10 for an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OEM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OEM</a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/UEFI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#UEFI</a>-Key, much less the $135+ of a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemBuilder" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SystemBuilder</a> version they charge for!)</li><li>...</li></ul>Personally, I wish I had €.€€€.€€€ so I could just develop the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NUCbook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NUCbook</a> and be done with the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Enshittification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Enshittification</a> of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Laptops" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Laptops</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Notebooks" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Notebooks</a>!

Kevin Karhan :verified:What <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQb0g_fkiqo&t=206s" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">applies</a> to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GoogleSearch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoogleSearch</a> also applies to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Windows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Windows</a>: <ul><li>That's why <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Microsoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Microsoft</a> pays <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OEM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OEM</a>|s like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Dell" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Dell</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lenovo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Lenovo</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HP</a> $25 for every <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/preinstall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#preinstall</a> of Windows since they threatened to preinstall <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/UbuntuLTS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#UbuntuLTS</a> instead of paying for OEM license keys...</li></ul><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BehavioralEconomics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BehavioralEconomics</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DefaultBias" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DefaultBias</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://twoot.site/@katnjiapus" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@katnjiapus</a> it's because of what I call "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RedBlueIndex" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RedBlueIndex</a>" (named after the holding company owning the two biggest electronics tetailers in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Germany" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Germany</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Saturn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Saturn</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MediaMarkt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MediaMarkt</a>):<ul><li>Only what people see ib stores exists to them!</li></ul>Thus they see <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Apple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Apple</a> devices that are more expensive than ever before and are less compatible than anything since the switch from <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PowerPC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PowerPC</a> to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ix86" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ix86</a> and all the garbage prebuilds with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WinShit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WinShit</a> on them because retailers get paid to not offer <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> and the big OEMs get paid $25 for every <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/preinstall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#preinstall</a> if <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Windows10" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Windows10</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Windows11" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Windows11</a>... <ul><li>I wish I was wrong, but <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Microsoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Microsoft</a> paying <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Toshiba" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Toshiba</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Dynabook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Dynabook</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/hp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#hp</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Dell" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Dell</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lenovo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Lenovo</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Fujitsu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fujitsu</a> is the result if them threatening to ship <a href="https://ubuntu.social/@ubuntu" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ubuntu</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/UbuntuLTS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#UbuntuLTS</a> instead of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Windows7" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Windows7</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Windows8" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Windows8</a> on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Workstation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Workstation</a> and low-end office machines if they don't get discounts...</li></ul>Same with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/refurbishers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#refurbishers</a> that pay less than €10 per key in return for not shipping Linux... That's why you don't see Linux machines in stores.And I want @kartellamt@social.bund.de / <a href="https://social.bund.de/@Bundesregierung" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Bundesregierung</a> & <a href="https://social.network.europa.eu/@EU_Commission" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@EU_Commission</a> to actually investigate that sooner than later...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://z0ne.social/@kura" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kura</a> Yeah, <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Microsoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Microsoft</a> enshittified <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Windows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Windows</a> continously beginning with <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/WindowsVista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WindowsVista</a>.And in fact I think that if people had to pay for that <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Govware</a> and weren't forced to pay a <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/MicrosoftTax" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MicrosoftTax</a> aka. <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/OEM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OEM</a>'s margins for a <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Preinstall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Preinstall</a> they would not even think about using <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> instead.I'd rather help people and migrate their files for a small fee once than exploit <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/TechIlliterates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TechIlliterates</a> that bought a dysfunctional crapware on a semiannual basis because Windows constantly breaks shite!

Jim BlissThis is exciting.<a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Starfield" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Starfield</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Bethesda" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Bethesda</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/GamePass" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GamePass</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/PreInstall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PreInstall</a>

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