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"More broadly, what I am saying is that, based on many of my indicators, it appears that:

1) we are on the brink of the monetary order, the domestic political and the international world orders breaking down due to unsustainable, bad fundamentals that can be easily seen and measured,

2) the progression of events leading to these increasing disorders is similar to those that have progressed many times throughout history, so this one looks like a contemporary version of the old story of how monetary, domestic political and social, and international geopolitical orders change,

3) there is a growing risk that the United States, imposing these challenges to deal with, will increasingly be bypassed by a world of countries that will adapt to these separations from the United States and create new synapses that grow around it, and

4) if these circumstances are managed in the best ways, the outcomes will be much better than if they are managed in the worst ways"

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X (formerly Twitter)Ray Dalio (@RayDalio) on XIt's Too Late: The Changes Are Coming

#politics #money #usa #auspol
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If you’re wondering why things are more of a blatant shit show than usual, or why Temu Trump (Peter Dutton) seems to be singing from the same fascist playbook as Trump himself, or why the likes of Advance and Australians for Prosperity are pumping out lies and hate, here’s why. ⁣

For decades an international network of billionaire-funded think tanks and astroturf groups have been poisoning the response to the climate crisis, drenching the media in disinformation, undermining democracy and attacking any movement, party or person that tries to respond with the urgency life on earth requires.⁣

The network has a name: ATLAS 💀#AtlasNetwork

The #AtlasNetwork is a loose alliance of nearly 600 think tanks and bullshit factories who have used the language of “freedom” and “liberty” to normalise fascism — a late stage capitalist techno-fuedal dystopia which prioritises profit and hate over people and planet.

✊🌏✊

This video from @Regenerators calls Atlas on its bullshit.⁣

Truth telling like this is essential if we’re to organise strategically and collaboratively for climate justice, systems change and collective liberation.⁣

InstagramRegenerators on Instagram: "To learn more about the Atlas Network see the work of: Dr Jeremy Walker UTS DeSmog blog Lucy Hamilton blog The Hercules Project website Amy Westervelt and the Drilled podcast Geoff Dembicki’s - ‘The Petroleum Papers’ Anthony Klan - The Klaxon Nancy McLean’s - ‘Democracy in Chains’ George Monbiot"1,182 likes, 54 comments - regenerators on April 28, 2025: "To learn more about the Atlas Network see the work of: Dr Jeremy Walker UTS DeSmog blog Lucy Hamilton blog The Hercules Project website Amy Westervelt and the Drilled podcast Geoff Dembicki’s - ‘The Petroleum Papers’ Anthony Klan - The Klaxon Nancy McLean’s - ‘Democracy in Chains’ George Monbiot".

Who is responsible for missing money?

shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/04/who-i

I have a simple rule of thumb when it comes to news reports. The real story is always in the penultimate paragraph.

Let's look at this inflammatory headline:

Woman’s 'spree' after $158k banking error, refuses to return pensioner’s life savings

An Auckland beneficiary is under investigation for an alleged “spending spree” after $158,000 was mistakenly transferred to her account.

[…] pensioner lost his life savings due to an account number error.

The account number provided to Westpac had only 15 digits, not the intended 16, so Westpac added a zero to the suffice [sic] as per its usual protocols.

Newstalk ZB

Wow! That seems pretty bad. Obviously the woman who allegedly received the money and then spent it shouldn't have done that. Spending money that doesn't belong to you is a crime in most parts of the world. But let's focus on the real villain here - the evil bank!!

Why did the bank make the decision to add an extra digit to the recipient's account number?

An NZ bank account number looks like BB-bbbb-AAAAAAA-SSS.

The first two digits are the banking institution and the next four are the specific branch. The seven digit account number relates to the specific account. The three digit suffix is for the type of account. For example, your spending account might have suffix 001 and your savings account might have suffix 099.

However, because all suffices have a leading zero, it is often only displayed as two.

So, adding an extra zero to the suffix itself shouldn't have caused a problem. It would have gone to the correct recipient although it might have either gone to the wrong sub-account. Indeed, WestPac's help page on international transfers says "if your account suffix is 12, enter 012". It sounds like the journalist hasn't quite understood where the insertion happened.

It seems likely to me that the victim meant to type 1234567-001 but missed a digit, causing WestPac to shift things to 1235670-01. That's poorly formatted but technically valid.

But, wait! Don't bank account numbers have checksums? Yes! According to NZ's internal revenue, all bank account numbers have a check-digit. However, when checking an account number's validity:

If less than the maximum number of digits is supplied, then values are right justified and the fields padded with zeroes

Bank account number validation

Having played around with the algorithm, the first few digits of the account number aren't included in the checksum validation. For example, the account number 1234567 and 0234567 both pass checksumming. So it is possible that padding the start of the string wouldn't have been picked up.

Whatever the underlying issue, it is distressing to hear of someone losing a significant amount of money.

What could have stopped this?

Humans make mistakes. As an industry, we know this. It's our job to prevent, rectify, and neutralise those mistake. We need systems in place which reduce the likelihood of errors causing catastrophic failures.

Here are some systemic changes which could have prevented this:

  1. New Zealand could adopt the IBAN standard for international transfers.
  2. Confirmation of Payee asks the user to type in the name of the intended recipient. If it doesn't match the bank account, the payment is rejected or cautioned against.
    • NZ is rolling out CoP but it doesn't yet apply to international transfers.
    • Multi-lingual CoP is complex. I don't know if any cross-border payments do this yet.
  3. WestPac should have noticed the name discrepancy.
    • This is the argument I have the most sympathy with.
    • Of course, returning the money (especially to a closed account) may be difficult.

Large systems changes are expensive and time consuming.

What else could have been done? Let's go to the final few sentences of the story:

Unfortunately, the incorrect bank account number provided by Che was a valid account number for another customer, Westpac said.

“As soon as Mr Che alerted us to the issue, we traced the payment and froze the remaining funds.”

But Westpac was unable to recover the rest of Che’s money due to the seven-week delay in reporting his error to the banks.

Emphasis added

I'm not trying to victim blame here, but WestPac seem to have done what was asked for them. The sender provided an ambiguous bank account number which was, nevertheless, valid.

The sender didn't raise an issue for seven weeks. Once notified, the bank froze the recipient account and notified the police.

Yes, big evil banks should be less evil. But they're in a tough spot. People want protection, but they resent banks telling them what they can and can't do with their own money. Big systemic change is difficult but it seems crushingly unfair when an innocent party is caught in the middle.

I don't think anyone comes out of this covered in glory. Banks need to invest in technology which keeps their customers safe. Customers need to take some responsibility for checking whether a bank has done the right thing.

The only tips I can give is that you must always copy & paste financial details from a trusted source, rather than manually type them in. Always send a small amount first to check it is received. If you suspect a mistake, contact your bank immediately.

Stay safe out there.

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Terence Eden’s Blog · Who is responsible for missing money?
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🆕 blog! “Who is responsible for missing money?”

I have a simple rule of thumb when it comes to news reports. The real story is always in the penultimate paragraph.

Let's look at this inflammatory headline:

Woman’s 'spree' after $158k banking error, refuses to return pensioner’s life savings
An Auckland beneficiary is under investigation for an alleged “sp…

👀 Read more: shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/04/who-i

#banking #banks #money #newzealand

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Terence Eden’s Blog · Who is responsible for missing money?
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Money is a kind of meta-asset. It's purpose to determine who owns the real assets. These are things like houses, farms, offices, companies, mines, transit systems etc...It is really the relative amount of money that matters. So if the rich are getting huge amounts of cash while the poor are getting small amounts of cash then the poor are getting poorer.

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#inequality
#inflation
#assets

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