@knoppix95 this is nothing new.

#Lenovo almost always offered around €125 discount for "no operating system" and €100 for #UbuntuLTS over #Windows - if they offer any of those options at all…

• Not to mention Lenovo, #Dell & #hp actually get paid $25 by #Microsoft for any #Windows #preinstall since at least 2012 in return for not shipping #Linux on said devices!

What is a problem is that Lenovo doesn't actually #Support even "#Ubuntu #certified" devices like the #P15v and it's #Intel #XMM7360-based #WWAN chip, the #Fibocom #850GL, at all, and they refuse to provide #drivers for it!

@simonzerafa I mean obviously #reuse / #UseLonger is better and if your options are "corporate surplus" or nothing then I'd never judge.

To me it's just that #ThinkPad as a brand has really died as every single Device is a #downgrade in #repairability & #upgradeability compared to my #X230Tablet:

• They have #SolderedDownRAM even on P-Series #Workstation machines, not just cheap cheap #Lenovo consoomer devices.

• Batteries ain't toolfree-swappable anymore!

• #WWAN modules are worse (i.e. #Fibocom #850GL aka. #Intel #XMM7360)

• #Linux support gets worse and neither Lenovo nor @ubuntu feel responsible on a "#Ubuntu-certified Workstation" (i.e. #P15v)

• Less & Worse #Docking options.

• Most machines don't offer Linux or to eveb to opt-out of #Govware noone should pay their overcharged premium for (in fact #Microsoft pays Lenovo $25 for every #Windows #preinstall so they don't ship Linux, they don't even pay the $10 for an #OEM-#UEFI-Key, much less the $135+ of a #SystemBuilder version they charge for!)

• ...

Personally, I wish I had €.€€€.€€€ so I could just develop the #NUCbook and be done with the #Enshittification of #Laptops / #Notebooks!

@phoronix I'm still mad that #Intel refuses to fix the #GMA500 & #GMA3**0 drivers.

• Yes I know it's a #PowerVR SGX and no IDGAF about any excuses: They stickered their name on top of it = they're to be blamed!

Same with the #XMM7360...

@krutonium @darth +1

Until they do that, I #WontBuy any new device from them.

• #EoL is not a valid reason to let them off the hook for anything!

And yes, I'm still #mad at #Intel for the #GMA500 fuckup and at #Fibocom, #Lenovo and #Intel for the #XMM7360 / #850GL shitshow and at #nvidia for their bs...

• I don't forgive nor forget; at least not towards #corporations who didn't even try to say sorry in the most #PR-speak - esque fashion...

@CppGuy @frameworkcomputer In terms if #avoid I'd sadly say #Lenovo (espechally outside the #ThinkPad line) and any cheap/craptastic no-name brand...

Tho personally, Lenovo, #Intel, #Fibocom and @ubuntu / #Canonical ruined my experience with the ThinkPad #P15v because despite being "#UbuntuCertified" the #WWAN module (an Intel #XMM7360 rebadged as Fibocom #850GL) didn't work and neither of the aformentioned parties felt responsible to fix it!

• And thanks to #PCIe - #AllowListing of #WWAN cards I couldn't just plop a known working M.2 card in there, but that applies also to #hp, #Dell and any other "Business Notebook"...

@stdevel @bradlinder that is sadly not the truth anymore.

Despite being "#UbuntuCertified" absolute basics like the #WWAN module didn't wotk at all on a work issued #ThinkPad #P15v.
Neither them nor #Canonical nor #Fibocom (#850GL WWAN Card) nor #Intel (#XMM7360 is the chipset of said card) felt responsible to fix it.

Not gonna talk about #nvidia being shitty again on that occasion...

@whitekiba Klar - nur boten die jenes Produkt damit an...

Nicht dass ich nicht so oder so Support erwarte wenn Hardware als "Certified for #Ubuntu" gelistet ist...
@ubuntu

Hab' mich ja schon zur #Fibocom #850GL / #Intel #XMM7360 in nem #Thinkpad #P15v auf ausgekotzt und wie Weder Fibocom noch Intel noch Lenovo sich zuständig fühlten...

Und wegen Lenovo kann ich nicht einfach das WWAN-Modem durch was gescheites tauschen, weil Whitelisting der PCI-ID...

@malcircuit Yeah, #Debian is masochist distro in that regard.

I explicitly chose #Ubuntu LTS 20.04 because the device was officially supported.

Still I'll stay mad for the refusal of #Lenovo, #Fibocom & #Intel to provide drivers for the integrated #WWAN modem:

Fibocom #850GL - which is just a rebadged Intel #XMM7360...

Because I know drivers for it exist - just like Intel refusing to release the Driver for the #GMA500 aka. #ImaginationTech PowerVR SGX GPU known als #Poulsbo...