@knoppix95 this is nothing new.

#Lenovo almost always offered around €125 discount for "no operating system" and €100 for #UbuntuLTS over #Windows - if they offer any of those options at all…

• Not to mention Lenovo, #Dell & #hp actually get paid $25 by #Microsoft for any #Windows #preinstall since at least 2012 in return for not shipping #Linux on said devices!

What is a problem is that Lenovo doesn't actually #Support even "#Ubuntu #certified" devices like the #P15v and it's #Intel #XMM7360-based #WWAN chip, the #Fibocom #850GL, at all, and they refuse to provide #drivers for it!

@simonzerafa I mean obviously #reuse / #UseLonger is better and if your options are "corporate surplus" or nothing then I'd never judge.

To me it's just that #ThinkPad as a brand has really died as every single Device is a #downgrade in #repairability & #upgradeability compared to my #X230Tablet:

• They have #SolderedDownRAM even on P-Series #Workstation machines, not just cheap cheap #Lenovo consoomer devices.

• Batteries ain't toolfree-swappable anymore!

• #WWAN modules are worse (i.e. #Fibocom #850GL aka. #Intel #XMM7360)

• #Linux support gets worse and neither Lenovo nor @ubuntu feel responsible on a "#Ubuntu-certified Workstation" (i.e. #P15v)

• Less & Worse #Docking options.

• Most machines don't offer Linux or to eveb to opt-out of #Govware noone should pay their overcharged premium for (in fact #Microsoft pays Lenovo $25 for every #Windows #preinstall so they don't ship Linux, they don't even pay the $10 for an #OEM-#UEFI-Key, much less the $135+ of a #SystemBuilder version they charge for!)

• ...

Personally, I wish I had €.€€€.€€€ so I could just develop the #NUCbook and be done with the #Enshittification of #Laptops / #Notebooks!

#FollowerPower: Or does anyone know any #Android #Tablet that supports native #PhoneCalls & #SMS from it like a #Smartphone using it's built-in #WWAN / #4G / #5G modem that isn't some random chinese import brand like "#Crosscall" or something but actually reputable in delivering #security #updates post-launch?

• Looking for devices available in the #EU retail. I know enough sources for cheap import tablets...

It's for an eldery person who doesn't have the best eyesight anymore and just want to have something better than the overpriced #Doro / #Gigaset devices that are tiny.

https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114268698520798287

@clubchonky I disagree.

• OFC @torproject / #Tor never was designed for low-latency, high-bandwith useage, but that's not the point.

IMHO using @guardianproject / #Orbot as a #PerformanceProxy even makes throttled #WWAN networks bearable!

• In terms of scale, Tor is pretty good and if all peers are within Tor, shit works just fine...

#WhatsMissing is an #Android-#ROM that is the equivalent of @tails_live / @tails / #Tails, which includes @torproject / #Tor and @guardianproject / #Orbot support from the get-go and forces everything through Tor (system-wide #Torification) if not only allows to connect to #OnionSedvices using #orWall...

• Because that would have a similar audience and really complement peoples' needs.

Ideally make it like an #image file to put on a #RaspberryPi #CM5 / #CM4 / #Pi400 / #Pi500 / #Pi4 / #Pi5 to work with a bunch of #WWAN modules for #data, #SMS & #calling (needed with some SIMs to get shit done)...

@mvilain @dangillmor @pluralistic yeah...

The only reason I still have my DeskJet 6122 hooked up is because that lil shit refuses to die!

• Like its glycol ink refuses to clog and it's easy to refill and reset the cartridges...

• Otherwise I would've already replaced it with a WorkCentre multifunction laser...

Worse are their #ProBook line of #Laptops: They literally "Soft-#VendorLock" their #RAM to #HP-branded sticks, bricking #PXE-boot and requiring people to manually press F1 on the device keyboard EVERY SINGLE BOOTUP / REBOOT with #FUD messages.

• Unlike with like #WiFi and #WWAN chips where one can figleaf argue that those need allow-listing for "spectrum regulatory compliance", this doesn't apply to RAM!

On the flipside I use a bunch of #fanless hp #ThinClient|s as #MiniServers, but that's because in #Germany #electricity is absurdly expensive and for just doing #backups and #MediaSharing doesn't draw much power...

@antonionardella I'm just glad the #ZTE #MF79U just acts as a #WWAN router with a built-in #USB-#Ethernet-Adaptor so it's truly transparent...

@CppGuy @frameworkcomputer In terms if #avoid I'd sadly say #Lenovo (espechally outside the #ThinkPad line) and any cheap/craptastic no-name brand...

Tho personally, Lenovo, #Intel, #Fibocom and @ubuntu / #Canonical ruined my experience with the ThinkPad #P15v because despite being "#UbuntuCertified" the #WWAN module (an Intel #XMM7360 rebadged as Fibocom #850GL) didn't work and neither of the aformentioned parties felt responsible to fix it!

• And thanks to #PCIe - #AllowListing of #WWAN cards I couldn't just plop a known working M.2 card in there, but that applies also to #hp, #Dell and any other "Business Notebook"...

@laptopretrospective @emma Personally, I think the #Enshittification is real and tilty-swively screens don't have to suck.

After all, they could've cut costs by simply designing the cases to use more of the same parts and only differenciate where necessary...

I love.my #X230t and sadly I've yet to find any #laptop on the market that isn't a #downgrade compared to it.

Yes, that includes the @frameworkcomputer / #Framework laptop because they don't offer a #UltraNav-Style #Trackpoint nor #WWAN-Modem / 2nd SSD option and espechally no toolfree-swappable batteries!

In fact, toolfree-swappable and removeable batteeies are non-negotiable essential for me!

@stdevel @bradlinder that is sadly not the truth anymore.

Despite being "#UbuntuCertified" absolute basics like the #WWAN module didn't wotk at all on a work issued #ThinkPad #P15v.
Neither them nor #Canonical nor #Fibocom (#850GL WWAN Card) nor #Intel (#XMM7360 is the chipset of said card) felt responsible to fix it.

Not gonna talk about #nvidia being shitty again on that occasion...

@FreakyFwoof I think that this #ableist #eMail bs should be #illegal and does not satisfy the notification requirements.

Also even for #abled people this is just bad, since a lot of them - like myself - will be sometimes if permanently on #WWAN like #2G, #3G or #4G and thus not download attachments at all, but only the text.

And yes, I do also automatically mark all #HTML - #eMails as #Spam so they won't even show up in my #Inbox.

@malcircuit Yeah, #Debian is masochist distro in that regard.

I explicitly chose #Ubuntu LTS 20.04 because the device was officially supported.

Still I'll stay mad for the refusal of #Lenovo, #Fibocom & #Intel to provide drivers for the integrated #WWAN modem:

Fibocom #850GL - which is just a rebadged Intel #XMM7360...

Because I know drivers for it exist - just like Intel refusing to release the Driver for the #GMA500 aka. #ImaginationTech PowerVR SGX GPU known als #Poulsbo...